tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post2057684051378671133..comments2024-02-16T08:32:46.618+00:00Comments on Donald Clark Plan B: Storytelling sucksDonald Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-8006646251278253422012-02-03T13:28:15.998+00:002012-02-03T13:28:15.998+00:00"It is only in the narrative mode that one ca..."It is only in the narrative mode that one can construct an identity and find a place in one's culture. Schools must cultivate it, nurture it, cease taking it for granted." http://www.amazon.co.uk/Culture-Education-Jerome-Bruner/dp/0674179536 <br /><br />This is a fascinating book that argues that placing yourself in, or creating your own narrative is central to learning and understanding the world around you.Dan Sutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-88872464048534841402008-07-17T02:07:00.000+00:002008-07-17T02:07:00.000+00:00Isn't it funny how we all see the world so differe...Isn't it funny how we all see the world so differently? I rarely watch sport on TV because the narratives seem formulaic and predictable to me. <BR/><BR/>re the educational use of stories: as with any educational medium or resource, it's how we use it that counts. So storytelling is not intrinsically good or bad.<BR/><BR/>re the generations: I don't believe that all people of a certain age are open to user-generated content and certain other ages are not. The generation X/Y/Z thing always seems a bit like astrology to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-35469359713320983322008-06-23T22:53:00.000+00:002008-06-23T22:53:00.000+00:00Hi FrankNever intended to 'condemn' the news. For ...Hi Frank<BR/>Never intended to 'condemn' the news. For me, it's not an either/or. I suppose the news is a series of short reports that have to stick pretty much to what happened in the real world. In some ways the 'news' can pretend to be objective, when it really is a politically driven narrative or narrow and national. When I'm in the US, I find it difficult getting 'world news' and flee to the internet. On TV I find Fox News nothing more than bile.<BR/><BR/>My comparison is really between 'storytelling' through scripted TV and film (soap operas, sitcoms, drama etc) and BB. I also think that millions voting is not insignificant. They have thought about the issues and spent their ow money to take action - it's participative and fun. What makes it a fascinating new genre is the way the participants drive the narrative through their own interactions, under the pressure of the 'game'. This is pretty radical - hundreds of millions have watched and it has changed the mix of TV genres forever.<BR/><BR/>Wife Swap's my other favourite (I'm covering my head as I type!)Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-34314616337210684562008-06-23T16:36:00.000+00:002008-06-23T16:36:00.000+00:00There's no doubt that this blog and BB have narrat...<I><BR/>There's no doubt that this blog and BB have narrative elements, but both allow others to contribute.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I get the point about blogs and wikipedia. They are new, interesting, media which are hugely popular among all ages. That's why I am writing now (I am 57).<BR/><BR/>But I cannot see why you approve Big Brother, while you condemn the News. The only room for the audience to contribute to Big Brother is to be one of millions who vote (a voting system that is so meaningless its proponents don't even realise when it has been rigged). The only substantial contributors other than the producers are a few carefully chosen participants. Meanwhile the News will include contributions from just about anyone in the world and their contribution will only be decided hours or even minutes before it is seen.Mark Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07117994136165938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-77911862451357816612008-06-23T10:38:00.000+00:002008-06-23T10:38:00.000+00:00Exactly. There's no doubt that this blog and BB ha...Exactly. There's no doubt that this blog and BB have narrative elements, but both allow others to contribute. BB sets off with a bunch of housemates/contestants, the plays with them through tasks, interventions. Narrative is then introduced through the edited highlights. However, huge amounts of time are also broadcast live ad there's the web, voting etc. I still think that Boomers hate it because they don't get it.<BR/><BR/>Boomers are obsessed with the 'novel'. They'd tie kids down and force feed them novels if they could. Don't they just love their book clubs. I got tired of working with people who were 'working on their novel'. As they say, every Boomer has a bad novel in them.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-82855641035749455482008-06-23T09:17:00.000+00:002008-06-23T09:17:00.000+00:00Donald I think you are saying narrative when you m...Donald I think you are saying narrative when you mean didactic narrative/storytelling.<BR/><BR/>A blog is an authored narrative, and if you dont think the producers at Big Brother are constructing a narrative - then what are they doing?<BR/><BR/>The difference is that there is a bit of space for the audience in the construction of these narratives in the new genre, unlike a 1000 page novel.<BR/><BR/>I agree with your general thesis that baby boomers are responsible for everything that is wrong in the world :)<BR/><BR/>Cheers<BR/>AndyAndy Teddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716950164312177743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-16637901840909095172008-06-21T14:13:00.000+00:002008-06-21T14:13:00.000+00:00Hi MarkBy 'fixed narrative' I'd include news and m...Hi Mark<BR/>By 'fixed narrative' I'd include news and most current affairs programmes. TV and film are largely a sit back and watch experiences 'scripted and structured content'. This is the whole basis of that horrible, Reithian, BBC view of the world - to entertain and educate the great unwashed masses. This is why the BBC rejected Big Brother when it was offered to them, handing one of TVs great successes on a plate to Channel 4. Peter Bazalgette knew that the BBC would kill the programme stone dead with its preachy moralising.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that 'scripted' content is bad, only that there's far too mcuh of the stuff around and that there's a pendulum swing among the youg towards looser, user-generated content. Great fixed narrative content is great but so is great unscripted genres like reality TV.<BR/><BR/>In my experience, Gen X/Yers accept both - they love movies and Big Brother. Baby Boomers (not all) often have a knee-jerk reaction to reality TV, dismissing it without even trying it out. They climb on some sort of moral high-horse because this new world is unfamiliar and breaks some of their cosy, existing beliefs. TV is their medium and they cherish scripted 'drama'. That's fine, but why condemn new genres becuase they don't conform to the old models.<BR/><BR/>I highly recommend Peter Bazalgette's Billio Dollar Game, where these issues are explored in some detail by a real expert in a fixed narrative format!Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-49744358733927697222008-06-21T13:51:00.000+00:002008-06-21T13:51:00.000+00:00HiJohnThat's maybe to assume the 'fixed' narrative...HiJohn<BR/>That's maybe to assume the 'fixed' narrative view from the start. I think it's the unpredictability of the programme that makes it so interesting and instructive. You don't really know, absolutely in advance, how people will play out. Brian, the previous winner, was an adopted black kid with low educational achievement, and wasn't that articulate, but tured out to be a damn fine, sensitive, funny and lovely human being. That's why he won - he broke the back of the stereotype.<BR/><BR/>The Alex sitation, I believe, was also a learing experience for the millions who have watched the dozen or so episodes so far. Her inner city, faux gangster attitudes were repulsive and the audience, and housemates, saw her for what she was - a crude bully. This does more to combat bullying than all of those 'fixed' narrative government ads, school programmes and adolescent novels (which the bullies ever read). What was really interesting were the quite sophisticated discussions I had with my kids over the different types of bullying she applied over the two weeks. It started with the 'having a go' at weaker housemates over trivial issues, with the usual not listening to the other person. She raised the stakes by claiming that people were not telling her 'to her face' what they thought, while, at the same time speaking endlessly behind their backs. This was the point that her 'mates' saw her for what she was - a hypocrite, and abandoned her. She raised the stakes again by literally threatening other housemates with retribution, outside of the house - at this point she was removed. My kids really did see the differeces between, angry outbursts, being two-faced and being unacceptably threatening. What was more interesting was their need to watch the programmes, "because everyone discusses it the next morning at school". This is the way to get to this generation, encouraging constructive 'peer-discussion' not preaching at, and down, to them.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-18540639693669863712008-06-21T09:18:00.000+00:002008-06-21T09:18:00.000+00:00I’m arguing against the dominance of ‘fixed’ linea...<B>I’m arguing against the dominance of ‘fixed’ linear experiences in education, training, communication and entertainment. We need to accept that looser, less linear and less structured experiences have real value.</B><BR/><BR/>By "fixed" I guess you mean the plot is decided in advance. So, this would include documentaries but exclude the News and current affairs discussions? Such fixed experiences may be dominant in education and training but how can you argue that they dominate communication and entertainment? Have you looked at the TV schedules recently? What is the proportion of fixed programmes to unfixed?<BR/><BR/>Having said that - scripted experiences may be fixed in some respects but they can be surprising (even when you know the script well) and unscripted events can be utterly predictable in all but the details of the plot. Which is more predictable in its vocabulary, tone, visual effects, emotions etc - a football match or a Stephen Poliakoff play? Which one is the more likely to stop you in your tracks and make a new connection? Which one will continue to surprise when you watch it the second time?<BR/><BR/>I am not pround of having avoided Big Brother - but it is a reasonable choice. It is on a par with avoiding smoking. I have seen some reality TV programmes and, unless it is something radically different, I think there are more rewarding things to do with my time. Like sweets or a soap opera there is a danger it might hook me into wasting my time and feeling dissatisfied afterwards. So it is best not to get started.<BR/><BR/>"Linear" is different from fixed. If it means anything it presumably means the viewer cannot change the order in which things happen. In this respect sport and reality TV are both linear for all practical purposes.Mark Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07117994136165938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-56335571420204993572008-06-20T22:47:00.000+00:002008-06-20T22:47:00.000+00:00Donald, re BB of course broadly you're right - but...Donald, re BB of course broadly you're right - but don't you think the recent removal of Alexandra from the house shows that it's staring to become the opposite of a learning experience? Endemol recruits these obviously socially challenged characters to cause maximum friction and then gets all censorious when they turn out to be bullies/racists/flakes/gangstas. Surely the whole point of learning is that you don't make the same mistake twice? Maybe we've learned all we can from that particular narrative ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11078381719896780884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-78476221489652407922008-06-20T11:52:00.000+00:002008-06-20T11:52:00.000+00:00MarkI’m not arguing against structure. I’m arguing...Mark<BR/>I’m not arguing against structure. I’m arguing against the dominance of ‘fixed’ linear experiences in education, training, communication and entertainment. We need to accept that looser, less linear and less structured experiences have real value.<BR/><BR/>An aside. My kids recently sat a Key Stage 3 English exam on a Shakespeare play Much Ado About Nothing. It didn’t occur to the teachers that it may have bee useful to actually go and see the play (a brilliant production was playing in London). They had to endure endless text analysis which has destroyed their interest in the play. So at times the fixed experience, if that’s the target, is necessary.<BR/><BR/>On sport, some of my richest experiences have been playing or spectating, whether it’s tennis (I’m getting older!), football, basketball or the Olympics. It has enriched my life and taught me so much. My kids have spent years doing Tae Kwon Do, and I can’t tell you how useful this has been in terms of their confidence, assertiveness, psychological attention, discipline, sense of achievement, focus, fitness, as well as their ability to defend themselves and others. I have hugely enjoyed the many conversations with fellow sports fans on topics such as leadership (Ferguson versus Weneger and so on), coaching (visioning, the need for metal rehearsal and practice), teamwork (sophisticated methods in sport, often primitive in work) and so on. I don’t buy this dismissive attitude towards something which stimulates so many people in so many cultures across the globe. We, as a species, are Homo Ludens.<BR/><BR/>And why are people so proud of never having watched Big Brother?Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-65311672542762685322008-06-20T11:23:00.000+00:002008-06-20T11:23:00.000+00:00People who disagree with the status quo are often ...People who disagree with the status quo are often described as extreme. If you criticize teaching as being too classroom dominated, you’re an extremist. If you criticize 50 year old psychological theories, you’re an extremist. If you criticize the incumbent generation’s habits, you’re an extremist. I post many more positive, recommendations than critiques, but it’s the critiques that draw most attention.<BR/><BR/>The point on continuums is interesting. I’d say that the ‘storytelling’ brigade often have fixed views about the awfulness of reality TV, the noisy blogosphere, the dodginess of Wikipedia, the need for classroom experiences and so on. I love books, films and drama but I don’t see fixed narrative ‘storytelling’ as being the only repositories of knowledge and ways of learning. I also believe in classrooms and lectures for certain specific purposes, and have posted many links to these excellent experiences. I’m all for contiuums but believe that the web and technology have created much wider continuums than existed before.<BR/><BR/>I just refuse to accept that the Boomers have got things right. At conferences I talk at almost every question is a veiled attack on modernity and young people by worried Boomers. They can’t believe that the methods they’ve been using for all those years may be dull and ineffective. They often lack the breadth and depth to even consider the nature of such continuums. Young people are generally more comfortable with this looser and wider world.<BR/><BR/>Today’s extremism is tomorrow’s status quo.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-76198733812560503172008-06-20T08:23:00.000+00:002008-06-20T08:23:00.000+00:00Kia ora Donald!I’m quite definitely a Boomer. Yet ...Kia ora Donald!<BR/><BR/>I’m quite definitely a Boomer. Yet I don’t like any of the TV programs you said Boomers enjoy. Neither do a dislike reading wikis or blogs, the proof of which is that I found this one and read it through from beginning to end – thank you.<BR/><BR/>It would appear from other commenters on this post that your generalisations don’t apply to everyone. That’s as expected. Generalisations seldom do.<BR/><BR/>My feeling is that opinion is a capricious entity - precious, but capricious. What’s more, opinion, when it exists, tends to migrate towards extreme positions on continuums.<BR/><BR/>As always, viewing the topic from an extreme position tends to give a narrow perspective. The more extreme the position, the narrower the perspective. So it is almost impossible without some determined effort to see how others see it from their perspective, in this case at the other end of a continuum.<BR/><BR/>You have made several statements in this post that suggest that you are sitting near one end of one of those continuums. Did your opinion migrate there?<BR/><BR/>Or did you just think intelligently about it and decide that it would be a good position to sit at and write a blog post?<BR/><BR/>Ka kite<BR/>from Middle-earthBlogger In Middle-earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722634477041121797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-28504567352982657812008-06-20T06:10:00.000+00:002008-06-20T06:10:00.000+00:00Tim's comment hits the nail on the head. There is ...Tim's comment hits the nail on the head. There is a need for learners to create their own ideas and outcomes - that's always been the case in many different types of learning institutions (what else is an essay in a humanities subject?). But there is also a need for structure to help people learn. If you watch an improvision programme such as "Whose Line is it Anyway?" you will get some enjoyable moments and great laughs. But it rapidly becomes becomes repetitive and shallow because it never builds towards anything interesting. You learn very little. It will never be as rich as taking Macbeth and performing it well. <BR/><BR/>Similarly with sporting events. There is certainly excitement because you don't know who is going to win. But they are incredibily sterotyped and repetitive. Just look at the current football - which my son has on all the time. The same scenes in different coloured shirts, even the same commentary, played out again and again. Maybe there are some things to be learned - but anything useful is extracted in one or two matches. After that it is pure light entertainment. Harmless but not educational.<BR/><BR/>I have never watched Big Brother :-)Mark Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07117994136165938870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-28619808684461956462008-06-19T21:12:00.000+00:002008-06-19T21:12:00.000+00:00Tightey whiteyYou’re entitled to say I’m wrong but...Tightey whitey<BR/>You’re entitled to say I’m wrong but don’t patronize me with your objection to my use of the word ‘black’. Get off your high horse for a minute and consider the fact that may of your generation use Facebook, Myspace etc. they also play computer games and watch reality TV. You were clearly born after your time.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-82083399120853820532008-06-19T21:07:00.000+00:002008-06-19T21:07:00.000+00:00RinaI’m not saying one is good, the other bad. It’...Rina<BR/>I’m not saying one is good, the other bad. It’s that there’s a new kid on the block that seems to be resented Boomers. In learning, the need for learners to build their own narratives is important. Restricting this by only serving us fixed narratives by others is too narrow an approach. This is the lesson that the internet and younger people are teaching us.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-34815996846191496592008-06-19T21:03:00.000+00:002008-06-19T21:03:00.000+00:00Anonymous BoomerA demographic description doesn’t ...Anonymous Boomer<BR/>A demographic description doesn’t apply to all people of a generation; it’s a statistical idea, showing dispositions and trends. I know of many Gen X & Y minds in Boomer bodies and vice versa. These are general trends hence the disagreement about start dates.<BR/><BR/>Boomer celebrity culture, I believe was there all along. In the sixties, we had The Beatles, mindless models galore and hapless hairdressers. This was the era when celebrity culture dominated the swinging sixties and widened out beyond film stars to people who were famous just because they married or hung out with other famous people.<BR/><BR/>Neither did I claim that Boomers don’t use Wikipedia. However, Wikipedia has come under a great deal of fire from Boomers who object to its bottom-up, user-created approach to content production.<BR/><BR/>My point on bloggers was that the difference between bloggers and journalists is now a ‘gradient’ and no longer one of amateurs and professionals. This issue is covered well in Clay Shirky’s Here Comes Everybody.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-15261402571308754522008-06-19T18:13:00.000+00:002008-06-19T18:13:00.000+00:00AnamariaFar from being ironic, I'm deadly serious....Anamaria<BR/>Far from being ironic, I'm deadly serious. Adorno's critique of media such as TV ad Film clearly pointed to their role as controlling culture through fixed narratives. I'm not great fan of Adorno's work, but even he would have agreed that narratives are not good in themselves. This is why I would distinguish between fixed and self-created narratives. Much traditional media and education delivers fixed narratives, the alternatives I proposed have creative input by the participants. And don’t take theorizing about the ‘novel’ as being massively significant in terms of culture as a whole, as relatively few read them.<BR/><BR/>I don’t know much about Big Brother Brazil, but reading the reports, it gets massive viewing figures among young people. Remember that the point of the programme is not to watch people you ‘like’ but to observe group behaviour. This makes it very different from the standard four genres on TV – sitcoms, dramas, soap operas and ‘light’ entertainment,<BR/><BR/>I do know a fair bit about Big Brother in Mexico and the story is, I think, interesting. A catholic group called Asociation A Favor De La Major (The Silent Majority) tried to get Big Brother banned. One member, Don Lorenzo Servitje, who owned a huge business called Bimbo, an extreme conservative, got many businesses to withdraw their advertising. The culture clash was between old business and young management of Televisia. Televisia were brave enough to proceed and achieved their highest ever ratings for the show, a kick in the teeth of undemocratic big business lobbying. Nelson Mandela asked to meet the winner of the Pan-African Big Brother and there have been many other examples of its positive effect in many countries.<BR/><BR/>PS<BR/>You’re English is superb!Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-64046561636081329312008-06-19T16:44:00.000+00:002008-06-19T16:44:00.000+00:00I've done impro for 20 years. I love the unexpecte...I've done impro for 20 years. I love the unexpected, the fluidity, the unpredictability, the group mind... but it's not non-narrative. For it to work, everyone has to agree that you're creating a story. Otherwise, you just get non-sequiturs.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that what you're objecting to is not narrative per se, but narrative content being pushed down our throats by producers, media, experts. I think the key to the younger generation is not that they embrace non-narrative content, but that they are open to and crave forms and venues and tools to create their own media and content... including narrative.<BR/><BR/>Big Brother and reality shows aren't raw footage. The producers carefully edit what they've got to create... a story. Sure, it's more akin to sports, where the outcome is unpredicatable, but the show is far from non-narrative.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432302620700328040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-72639894491850716632008-06-19T15:49:00.000+00:002008-06-19T15:49:00.000+00:00I think you are wrong. I am a gen Xer who categori...I think you are wrong. I am a gen Xer who categorically hates unscritped television, fears the loss of my privacy, cannot abide facebook, and being classified as a gen Xer as I have never, ever fit that mold. <BR/><BR/>I find it insteresting that you point out how much Big Brother has done for diversity, yet still need to point out the "black guy" when you classify the winners. BTW what differentiates a black guy from an ordinary bloke?<BR/><BR/>Your post, if you follow your own logic, should be titled "Why storytelling sucks for me" as storytelling works quite well for many, regardless of their year of birth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-5173115894198140092008-06-19T11:46:00.000+00:002008-06-19T11:46:00.000+00:00I am thirty-five I don't know if I come under this...I am thirty-five I don't know if I come under this category of' baby boomers' but I feel both approaches have their relevance. I want to share with you the thousands of yers old Ramayana. RecentlY,I took some interviews for an anthology related to this epic. Now, this epic is written by a sage called Valmiki and then as the tale spred(they say it's History, the versions increased. http://www.valmikiramayan.net/<BR/><BR/>The tribal have interprated it in their own way. The Indonesian Ramayan is different than the Indian one. So, this mutation happens, not a new phenomena. As old as History. The new thing is the opening up of this connectivity and through this I foresee the changing of the rigid patterns. The fluidity of thoughts and expression has always existed. It is just that society gave a lot of importance to people who'acted' stiff or unapproachable. These people used this acceptence that they got through their serious stiff act to promote all these dry stuff. Now that more open generations are getting connected all the walls and misconceptions are crumbling. This is one thing but to really feel contented I would rather read Robert Frost than my own silly poems. So I guess the artistically crafted literatutre has it's place. Here I want to mention that the 'modern' installation with the cadavers and blood that you have mentioned in the Arts blog is not art. In no way it qualiies as art. Art should be elevating, soothing, it should add on to life and not make you nausious.This kind of 'so called art or content' that flosts around is any day inferiour to the structured novels or stories from fine literature. So, there are many factors at play that kinda decide what fits in where. Some times the informal content is wonderful at other times it just dosen't make any sense. Finally, work is there but this made a relaxing read. So, thanks and have a great day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-51003034258548471892008-06-19T08:58:00.000+00:002008-06-19T08:58:00.000+00:00I write a boomer consumer blog called The Survive ...I write a boomer consumer blog called The Survive and Thrive Boomer Guide at http://boomersurvive-thriveguide.typepad.com.<BR/><BR/>I don't think you can lump boomers together and make sweeping statements about them. Boomers are a large demographic and contain many types of people. I don't think boomers created the current celebrity madness; we didn't have it in the 1960s and 70s.<BR/><BR/>Boomers don't use Wikipedia? You might want to check that out. I know a lot of boomers who use it.<BR/><BR/>I disagree with what you said about bloggers being better providers of information than journalists. I've read many blogs that are poorly thought out, poorly written, and not well done technically.<BR/><BR/>I think it would benefit many bloggers to take a beginning class in journalism.<BR/><BR/>RitaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-83944856363927491402008-06-18T23:18:00.000+00:002008-06-18T23:18:00.000+00:00Isn’t it blissful that we have Big Bother and The ...Isn’t it blissful that we have Big Bother and The Apprentice in Brazil too? Such profound learning experiences… Believe me, even in this distant developing country, after being exposed to these “superb non-narrative learning”, young Brazilians too have acquired the necessary critical thinking skills to judge the “good eggs”. (Oddly enough we’re still struggling to vote for the good eggs. Perhaps there’s just not enough of them in politics. But that will change, I’m sure.) <BR/><BR/>Developing aesthetical pleasure, reasoning beyond superficiality, expanding the ability to empathize with other human beings at deeper levels—who needs those things when we can learn such life-changing skills with our local Donald Trump? <BR/><BR/>If you have never read it, and if you ever come across a copy of “The Position of the Narrator in the Contemporary Novel” by Theodor Adorno, give it try. I promise it’s as unpredictable as an exciting game on TV. And PLEASE: tell me my English skills are not good enough to read the irony in your post. That must be it…Anamaria Camargohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07759150505762566628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-56393023562724104922008-06-18T18:06:00.000+00:002008-06-18T18:06:00.000+00:00I don't think Baby Boomers have cornered the marke...I don't think Baby Boomers have cornered the market on hypocrisy - Gen-X and Gen-Y has a bit too. But you make some good points. I am a baby boomer. There are some insights on this at http://www.Vaboomer.com <BR/><BR/>~ NancyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-30647582446410042472008-06-18T17:56:00.000+00:002008-06-18T17:56:00.000+00:00thecrawford - I agree. What I'm arguing against is...thecrawford - I agree. What I'm arguing against is narrative that is fixed and always told by the teller, teacher, trainer etc,<BR/><BR/>Patrick - you have a point - it does come cross as a sort of business as it was in the 1970s - all bullying and wide-boy posturing.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.com