tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post113826744646740593..comments2024-02-16T08:32:46.618+00:00Comments on Donald Clark Plan B: Informal learningDonald Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-1140538550232226752006-02-21T16:15:00.000+00:002006-02-21T16:15:00.000+00:00Absolutely right. To concentrate on the 'bums on s...Absolutely right. To concentrate on the 'bums on seats' measure (your ticks in boxes)is to concentrate on the wrong end of the learner. I also think that informal learning can be evaluated. We just have to get away from the Kirkpatrick nonsense and look at qualitative analysis through simpler and more relevant measures.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-1140531910756354062006-02-21T14:25:00.000+00:002006-02-21T14:25:00.000+00:00I think one reason why organisations are intereste...I think one reason why organisations are interested in formal rather than informal learning comes down to control and measurement: organisations are set up as systems of control, and informal learning doesn't fit into their mindset at all.<BR/><BR/>In particular, they can't measure it - they don't know who has learnt or knows what, or whether they know what is required for the (formal) job that they do.<BR/><BR/>So they push employees through the system so that managers can tick a box - without actually thinking whether their staff are learning what is necessary, and nor whether they are then acting on what they have learnt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-1139248715543616452006-02-06T17:58:00.000+00:002006-02-06T17:58:00.000+00:00Just read your Epic paper on informal learning. I ...Just read your Epic paper on informal learning. I was interested in the bit where you claimed that informal learning might be more successful if any involvement of the training department wasn't mentioned - as it might put people off! I can see this, but can't now see why trainers would have any interest in sponsoring/suporting the approach. If informal learning is invisible, doesn't this threaten the livelihood (or at least the egos) of teachers/trainers. Aren't they going to resist, at least covertly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com