tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post2219075333382259633..comments2024-02-16T08:32:46.618+00:00Comments on Donald Clark Plan B: Gang-of-four proclaim Serious eLearning Manifesto. You can’t be serious?Donald Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-22196789680570883682014-03-15T12:09:19.927+00:002014-03-15T12:09:19.927+00:00Hi Donald,
Here is the point of view of a French ...Hi Donald,<br /><br />Here is the point of view of a French Instructional Designer, who lived and worked in Singapore, New Zealand and Canada (this is for the international audience you asked).<br /><br />When I saw a post announcing the Manifesto, its content immediately resonated with my frustrations in the corporate elearning world, even though I'd didn't know what "manifesto" mean ;-) <br /><br />Yes there are good pieces of elearning (all from the UK!) but they are rare. What I designed 15 years ago was much more efficient and fun. Now 80% of my work is not as good as it could be because I fail to convince the sponsors or project managers that, yes, it would be better to unlock the course and not force the learners to go through every single page to make sure " they cover every thing". I feel I have to battle for every principle and I am tired of doing this.<br /><br />So if someone, or even 4 people, share my frustrations and try to do something to change the situation, I'll even buy their book if they were selling one! <br /><br />I find the word "serious" also a bit weird on the logo, "serious but fun" would have been better maybe?<br /><br />Anyway, I think this is a great initiative, and I want to offer to translate the manifesto into French and start discussing it with fellow IDs. <br /><br />Ok, back to work: I have to write a story to improve a PowerPoint was told...<br />The Toy Gurlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12932322486492927761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-5936538683212675792014-03-13T16:41:01.672+00:002014-03-13T16:41:01.672+00:00Peter. Now there's an idea. MILF - Manifesto f...Peter. Now there's an idea. MILF - Manifesto for More Interactive Laughs and Fun.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-83353473324667052062014-03-13T16:38:09.020+00:002014-03-13T16:38:09.020+00:00Was intended - well spotted. Some analogies, admii...Was intended - well spotted. Some analogies, admiittedly, are a bit obtuse.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-7081834927578416662014-03-13T16:30:14.839+00:002014-03-13T16:30:14.839+00:00"There's the wonderful Manifesto for e-le..."There's the wonderful Manifesto for e-learning in acupuncture. You get my point." Pun intended?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14387042166113955600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-60965614418153858032014-03-13T16:23:44.878+00:002014-03-13T16:23:44.878+00:00I'm sure the motivation behind this initiative...I'm sure the motivation behind this initiative is well intentioned, and the gang of four are absolutely worth listening to. <br />But I for one would be much more inclined to engage with a manifesto for humorous e-learning.Peter Phillipshttp://www.unicorntraining.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-5218812972772882182014-03-11T19:36:30.071+00:002014-03-11T19:36:30.071+00:00Appreciate the response guys and will keep my mind...Appreciate the response guys and will keep my mind open until all is 'revealed'. I'm just not keen on this sort of approach. I just hope it's not another 'LMS id dead' and 'isn't most self-paced e-learning awful' stuff. That's being doing the rounds for years.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-87746493509144659772014-03-11T15:19:01.144+00:002014-03-11T15:19:01.144+00:00Donald,
Clark really said it all, but let me just...Donald,<br /><br />Clark really said it all, but let me just add that we are doing what we're doing out of a profound sense of frustration that elearning is not living up to its promise. <br /><br />We may not have hit on the best way to get people thinking about improving elearning, but we felt an ethical responsibility to do something. <br /><br />I hope you'll keep track of our efforts over the next year or two and then apologize to us for prematurely dragging our names through the mud. <br /><br />And, by the way, Julie Dirksen rocks--and if you don't know her work, it shows a chink in your armor. <br /><br />= Will ThalheimerWill Thalheimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417374592525615269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-57452564385461116852014-03-10T15:39:28.856+00:002014-03-10T15:39:28.856+00:00Donald, thanks for the perspective, it helps to se...Donald, thanks for the perspective, it helps to see how others perceive this. Here's my take on the back story: the four of us had been seeing each other at conferences, and continued to share our dismay at the state of corporate elearning. The tools, the examples, all were unfortunately less than we'd hope or expect. We finally decided that we couldn't continue to not say anything, and if we didn't have any impact, at least we'd tried. It rattled around in our brains and finally we came up with this. We're trying hard to keep the focus on the message of better elearning, and are pointing to principles from decades of global research, to the best of our ability. And it's not perfect, by any means, but it's what we could do. And we have reached out internationally in our trustees, if not the original authors (it's an all volunteer effort, and it was hard enough to coordinate with just the four of us!). There's no book; no workshop, nothing other than trying to do <i>something</i> to lift the average corporate elearning to a better standard than knowledge dump/test. And the event notion for the launch was just to try to get as much awareness as possible. We're not expert marketers, so we've relied on some volunteered assistance, and if it is a bit heavy-handed, our only excuse is trying to raise the message as best we can. After the launch date, you can (asynchronously) surf over to the site and see the principles we're trying to push. Whether it leads to any change is an open question. We're not trying to lower the ceiling, we're trying to lift the floor. Fingers crossed. Thanks again for helping us perceive another way our efforts could be construed, and hopefully this makes at least our intentions clear.Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07822235162664957878noreply@blogger.com