tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post7893121994436988700..comments2024-02-16T08:32:46.618+00:00Comments on Donald Clark Plan B: NLP – No Longer PlausibleDonald Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-67100906111110644322020-12-31T05:20:17.103+00:002020-12-31T05:20:17.103+00:00Thank you so much for this nice information. Hope ...Thank you so much for this nice information. Hope so many people will get aware of this and useful as well. And please keep update like this.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.tex-ai.com" rel="nofollow">Text Analytics Software</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.tex-ai.com/text-analytics/" rel="nofollow">Text Analytics Tool</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.tex-ai.com/text-extraction/" rel="nofollow">Text Extraction Tool</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.tex-ai.com/text-classification/" rel="nofollow">Text Classification Tool</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.tex-ai.com/text-summarization/" rel="nofollow">Text Summarization Tool</a>Charleshttps://www.tex-ai.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-34139327534552919312012-11-26T00:37:30.986+00:002012-11-26T00:37:30.986+00:00Reflection on my experience of NLP
Summary
I hav...Reflection on my experience of NLP<br /><br />Summary<br /><br />I have never attended such an awful and badly run course in the whole of my nursing career. I found the whole ordeal painful and soul destroying, all because I dared to question some of the concepts in NLP and had difficulty in acting out something I felt was so wrong whilst being observed by what I perceived as programmed “zombies”. <br /><br />I feel this is nothing more than a form of manipulation and I would be embarrassed to admit to anyone that I had attended this course for fear of losing my credibility. On reflection, I am glad that I have an insight into how others who believe in this nonsense, may use this method on me, or those close to me in the future. I would rather continue to communicate with my non-NLP work colleagues, family and friends, in a non-controlled manner and use my life and social communication skills to carry me through my happy and successful life.<br /><br />I now question how a non-evidence based 4 day course costing the health trust approximately £15,000 excluding staff ‘out’ time of 30 members, all Band 7 and above. How can the “NLPers” who were present every day, be funded when there are District Nurse Teams in the trust struggling to deliver evidence based nursing care to their patients, day in day out, because of staff vacancies not being filled due to financial constraints? More importantly, this money could have been better spent on our patients, who have been denied life-saving treatments due to cost restraints.<br /><br />In my opinion, the only person gaining from this course is Mr L by his financial exploitation of the NHS and other organisations that are public funded. <br /><br />I Feel I have a right as a professional to question unsubstantiated practice. I could not find any evidence other than written ranting’s and drivel from allegedly NLP “experts” supporting their “discipline” and bank balances. <br />However, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that NLP is not evidence based and is nothing but a pseudoscience and largely discredited by many influential authors. Also, none of the course content is referenced in an academic style.<br /><br />For a fee, ANYONE can become a practitioner in NLP in a few weeks, so why are we wasting money using these people? In my honest opinion, some of the “NLPers” in the trust have been taken-in by it all or they are the type of person who has the need to be “needed” and an obsession to gain control over others.<br /><br />I do have a reflective account day by day of the 4 Day course if anyone is interested, please contact me via emailAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05269055282465656365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-69474783627664932322012-08-16T11:45:12.022+00:002012-08-16T11:45:12.022+00:00Some time back, I completed a MBA Dissertation on ...Some time back, I completed a MBA Dissertation on NLP. <br /><br />In it are my results (from objective Controlled Experiments) and statistics to scientifically validate the efficacy of Third Generation NLP’s “Logical Levels Alignment” technique in alleviating stress.<br /><br />My dissertation can be found here <br /><br />http://masternlpcoach.com/2011/06/mba-dissertation-third-generation-nlp-enneagram/<br /><br />The controlled experiments in my MBA Dissertation meets the minimum standards of ethical approval in research (July 2004) according to Section 3 of the British Psychological Society Guidelines.<br /><br />Best,<br />James Leong<br />Master Trainer in NLP<br />Accredited Enneagram TeacherJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00334071106045521742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-76597212289640668712012-07-04T09:34:52.120+00:002012-07-04T09:34:52.120+00:004th July 2012.
I would like to address the depres...4th July 2012.<br /><br />I would like to address the depression issue appearing on this blog.<br /><br />My mother and her brother and mother have had serious bouts of depression whereby they were prescribed medication. I have had it.<br /><br />But what is 'it'?<br /><br />I question the genetic heritage theories and also the over use of pharmaceuticals in alleviating symptoms. Medicine can help people but it NEEDS to be used in conjunction with therapy.<br /><br />My understanding is that people do depression. It is not a disease like malaria but it is a disease in that it is a learnt set of behaviours and more to the point it is prescribed by psychiatrists and doctors (not all of them).<br /><br />And that diagnosis is intrinsically a suggestion. From a hypnosis point of view if you tell someone they have something and you are in a powerful position in society and seens as a knowledgeable professional then it is even more effective a suggestion due to being more beleivable (especially if you are taught that doctors are right, which obviously is not always the case).<br /><br />Anti- depressants are over used and over prescribed (they have given them to babies who cry too much).<br /><br />Babies get what they need through crying a lot. It is primary manipulation. In a sense depression is a developed and more complex form of this. It is a learnt behaviour that has pay offs (just like all behaviour). It is a means of survival. Unfortunately, for the person that does too much depression is that they miss out on a better quality of life. Actually, that is a value judgement and is down to subjectivity for if you have a mental disorder in the UK you get a very comfortable life with all the benefits and attention. Having said that doing not alot (not having a job) or purpose and being too comfortable will cause depression.<br /><br />Someone once said,<br /><br />"If you have a client with depression, catch them off guard and throw them in a swimming pool. They won't be depressed then. They'll be angry and swimming around so as to survive!"Thom de Servillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-5327091031502943182012-07-01T18:00:06.307+00:002012-07-01T18:00:06.307+00:001st July 2012. In March I attended a practitioner ...1st July 2012. In March I attended a practitioner course - 2 weeks, May 2012: 3 hypnosis courses -8 days- and on 15th July a Master Prac. -2 weeks. Before this I was intending to be a counsellor. I attended Brighton uni for a pre-post grad course in counselling. This is a mandatory 3 month course before doing the next 2 years to be qualified as a counsellor. I passed the course but I wanted to be trained on an integrative course at another uni. So, I know how the training is structured.<br />Roughly, it is 1 lecture a week and a seminar. My course was 1 term long. At the end there was a 1/2 an hour supervised and recorded session whereby I 'counselled' a classmate. Then I was to write my 8000 word essay.<br /><br />From what I can recall the 2 years training I would have undergone would be similar to that structure except with supervised counselling on people outside of the class independent of the training. <br /><br />Move forward 2 years and I go on the NLP course by a leading establishment. I wanted the best of the field. I was extremely skeptical. There is something somewhat ironic about being sold an NLP course.<br />So, what was it like?<br />The NLP course:<br />It was interesting and fun sure.<br />We were doing classic code and new code NLP. Days started at 10 ended between 6 and 10!! (That depended on personal motivation).<br />Now, compared to the university counselling course time 1 day training (on this NLP course) would equal 2-3 of the uni counselling course. However, there was no reading that had to be done and there was no written examination.<br /><br />I could start going out to the public and be practicing and charging money. I am sure a lot of people do with those certificates and those are indeed in my opinion some of the charlatans of NLP if they charge full prices and are not transparent about experience. So, I guess in that sense it is down to the potential client to check their practitioner out thoroughly. The NLP practitioner certificate basically does not mean anything bar 'you passed the test' of the course. So, I did 8 days of hypnosis training too (which has definitely been proven to work, as in hypnotherapy) adding to my hours of training (my intention is to get something on par with uni standards - hour wise).<br /><br />And I will soon do another 2 weeks on the 'Master Prac'. This is classic AND new code NLP (Grinder's line NOT the other stuff).<br /><br />Another point: Grinder makes it very clear that the classic code is outdated in some ways.<br /><br />On the NLP course I attended there was a lot of information and some of it was trained well and some not. I would put it on a 70:30 ratio based on actual practise of techniques. I was offered extra training in the form of a practise group. At the end of the day, I think that the world of NLP has some serious standard issues that need to be addressed. I personally have compared it to a uni course structure and was dissatisfied BUT then again I have been dissatisfied by many uni courses. I think that it is up to personal responsibility to fish out the charlatans AND/OR raise the standards which I think is being done. <br />1.Some of it is bullshit and pointless. even one of the co creators admits (Grinder) that in other terms hence why it has been and is continuing to be modified.<br />2.It all depends on the ability, experience and training of the practitioner as to how effective NLP will be.<br />3.I think NLP IF USED CORRECTLY is effective. depends what it is used for. It can be applied to a lot of different things. It is a huge field.<br />4. Not everything works on everyone.<br /><br />A lot of the above points apply to all knowledges and practitioners thereof. Look at other health professionals mistakes. NLP can be used for good or bad and can be used well or badly. Those studies looked at a limited number of people and more to the point a limited part of NLP theory/application. Read 'Whispering in the Wind' for less charlatanism.Thom de Servillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-32814942421307513692012-06-23T11:58:29.381+00:002012-06-23T11:58:29.381+00:00Mike
I have a great deal of sympathy for people wh...Mike<br />I have a great deal of sympathy for people who suffer from depression so don't get all personal and snarky. My sister has suffered from this my other sister has been a psychiatric nurse and community nurse all her life.<br /><br />You say "There's no proof psychiatric drugs work". False. I don't doubt that some drugs are overused but your statement is patently false. You dismiss all pharmaceutical help in one trite sentence. Read the science.<br /><br />"you think depression is a myth" NO I DON'T. People like you who think they know what I think depress me.<br /><br />"you are one of those people who just collects scientific studies and research that fits your beliefs" Listen if you want to engage on this front give me the studies that falsify the evidence I've found. That's science.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-39234791527913701672012-06-22T21:56:15.763+00:002012-06-22T21:56:15.763+00:00There's no proof psychiatric drugs work. You a...There's no proof psychiatric drugs work. You are saying there's no proof counselling or psychotherapy works.<br /><br />How come I know people who have worked hard on their depression and fixed it? The depression didn't just disappear on it's own, there are reasons why people get depressed.<br /><br />Maybe you think depression is a myth, or that it can be fixed with some yet unknown method.<br /><br />I have had counselling and psychotherapy, and it did help. Of course there are rubbish counsellors just as there are rubbish scientists.<br /><br />I wonder if you are one of those people who just collects scientific studies and research that fits your beliefs, rather than looking at ALL data and THEN having beliefs based on that. I must admit I used to be like that too, a LOT of people ARE like that, scientist or otherwise.<br /><br />What do YOU think helps depression? (since you've rubbished all solutions currently available).<br /><br />Maybe you're lucky enough not to have suffered from depression.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-53615497012337894592012-02-02T22:59:02.004+00:002012-02-02T22:59:02.004+00:00Take Two:
Neuro Linguistic Programming
Picture y...Take Two:<br /><br />Neuro Linguistic Programming<br /><br />Picture yourself on a boat on a river, you've been feeling uneasy, you’re mesmerised.<br />Somebody whispers you follow quite slowly, a man with kaleidoscope lies.<br />Eagerly followers of NLP mean; to take and talk over your head.<br />Look for the science, the logic, the reason: there's none.<br /><br />New Language Salesmen abound,<br />Listening to your every sound,<br />Tallying up each and every pound.<br />Ho ho….<br /><br />Hopefully expecting frogs to become Princes these rocking horse people tell unbelievable lies.<br />Everyone smiles as you listen to tales which seem so unbelievably wise.<br />New language salesmen appear at the door waiting to take you away.<br />Ask for the proof, your head's in the clouds, ‘cause there's none.<br /><br />No Laughing Please at the back,<br />No writhing please on the rack,<br />Don’t expect your money back,<br />Oh no…<br /><br />Picture yourself on a train at the station, waiting to move a few looking glass miles.<br />Suddenly someone leaves through the turnstyle and turns back to offer a smile.<br />Lucidly, you know there’s no diamonds!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-46663951304093634742011-09-08T21:53:26.576+00:002011-09-08T21:53:26.576+00:00I just want to interject a few points because it s...I just want to interject a few points because it seems like there is a lot of dead horse beatings...<br /><br />I liked the post, thank you for sharing, btw.<br /><br />The bumble bee thing is really annoying and anyone who thinks it's true should go here:<br />http://www.dctech.com/physics/features/old/bumble.php<br /><br />Science does not ever prove anything, it can only disprove something.<br /><br />Anecdotal/"subjective" evidence is not evidence of any kind. We are all flawed in many ways and see/remember things differently. Our brains can and do, easily ,fool use into believing things that just are not true.<br /><br />Everybody has some agenda to push. That is why studies are blinded.<br /><br />The people purporting NLP's benifits actions do not have anything to do with NPL.<br /><br />And finally, if NLP has helped you I am genuinely happy for you. I also think it's more likely a placebo effect or something else including a good old fashion dedication to changing and possibly a false, yet still helpful, belief that you can actually do it now.<br /><br />Thanks for your time and be good to each other!<br />Neil Hampton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-2166656041724691702011-09-05T06:55:19.940+00:002011-09-05T06:55:19.940+00:00@dr george
The Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds thin...@dr george<br /><br />The Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds thing was refreshing.<br /><br />It is refreshing to see someone with your talent for song writing questioning these techniques.<br /><br />Perhaps if you studied more NLP techniques and hypnotherapy it would be refreshing to you as well.<br /><br />Studying pacing that is not obvious would be quite refreshing for you I believe.<br /><br />Wouldn't you like to have a refreshing experience?<br /><br />This article was refreshing.<br /><br />Even the word "refreshing" is refreshing..if not annoying.<br /><br />Perhaps that is why I used it because I knew it was annoying.<br /><br />Question Everything... including my intentional acts of being annoying, using annoying words and making fun of something by being lame and annoying (yet refreshing)<br />all at the same time.<br /><br />Noted as "the worst comment here" - now is this by belief or by suggestion?Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-78598858959568953452011-07-29T05:07:01.432+00:002011-07-29T05:07:01.432+00:00I wonder how they conducted the studies on the eff...I wonder how they conducted the studies on the effectiveness of NLP. NLP is a collection of many different methods. And I think that some of these methods are more useful than others.<br /><br />Is NLP really new? Not really. It weaves together several ideas.<br /><br />It takes the hypnotic methods of Milton Erickson, which are unique and certainly can be effective, and ties these with the "meta model," which does bear a striking resemblance to the widely accepted CBT.<br /><br />And then it throws in concepts such as "anchoring," which is really basic applied behavioural conditioning. <br /><br />While I do agree that it is over-hyped and there are probably a lot of people out there who don't know what they are doing, the fundamental theories are not only sound, they are old school. <br /><br />I think the main problem with NLP is that a lot of the people who are practicing it happen to be quacks in their own right. <br /><br />For example, the course I took was attended by one medium, one tea leaf reader, and one person who was envious of the talents of both of these people. <br /><br />A scientific mind, fully understanding and properly implementing the principles with empathy, ethics, and proper discretion, can help people with these tools as well or better than with any others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-50487457827755265002011-05-15T20:57:33.374+00:002011-05-15T20:57:33.374+00:00Damned by faint praise - but it then went haywire ...Damned by faint praise - but it then went haywire at the end:<br /><br />"However in order to maintain a balanced approach (sic) it is perfectly feasible for me to highlight the fact that many academics and psychologists have a vested interest (sic) in maintaining their list of private clients and a fat bank balance, so it naturally follows that they will try to debunk NLP by whatever means possible."<br /><br />And NLP practitioners are charitable souls who give off their time out of the goodness of their hearts?<br /><br />Sorry, I have no private clients and have no commercial gain from debunking NLP, just an honest attempt to get rid of practices I believe are bogus.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-51692924041248901942011-05-15T17:31:15.350+00:002011-05-15T17:31:15.350+00:00Regarding the comments posted here, as a qualified...Regarding the comments posted here, as a qualified NLP Practitioner with some additional supervised training in Hypnotherapy, I am not remotely fazed by Donald’s opinions which he is perfectly entitled to express, and no, I do not need to be informed as to why he has an axe to grind.<br /><br />Now, in my opinion, there is a scenario in which NLP, counselling and a number of other therapies will probably dismally fail to assist a particular client, and this is any client suffering from a mental disorder, other than mild reactive depression. Generally speaking any client under the influence of anti depressants will have reduced or impaired cognitive functioning and their thinking and evaluation processes will be impaired. Yes before anyone bothers to inform me I am aware of Richard Bandler’s claims however we are not generally informed as to how long the treatment took or whether there were any adverse effects. <br /><br />Personally I would welcome a stricter regulation policy in respect of NLP therapies as there are now numerous individuals, often without any recognised supervised experience which is a minimum of 15 to 18 days for a Practitioner, who are claiming to be NLP Practitioners when they are not. Frequently these charlatans claim to have a diploma in NLP which usually takes 4 days and is purely a personal self development course, though they appear to be relying on other people’s ignorance in order to display their credentials on their various websites. Worse than that, it is possible to provide testimonials, and get listed on the NHS Alternative Therapies Directory and without having the relevant NLP qualifications.<br /><br />It is important to acknowledge that the experience of having NLP therapy or indeed counselling is purely a subjective one, which will naturally vary for each individual client, and be dependant both upon the skills of the qualified Practitioner and the depth of the issues that the client expresses. Sadly if you encounter an unqualified Practitioner who does not even have public liability insurance, as most insurance companies will not provide any cover for any course of less than 15 days, then you will naturally be indignant about all NLP practitioners. <br /><br />Regarding the debunking theories inclusive of the applicable references, it has to be pointed out that as Donald is not writing an academic essay, that any comments as to their worthiness are irrelevant. However in order to maintain a balanced approach it is perfectly feasible for me to highlight the fact that many academics and psychologists have a vested interest in maintaining their list of private clients and a fat bank balance, so it naturally follows that they will try to debunk NLP by whatever means possible.Tim Metcalfehttp://www.mentalclarity.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-29580797420917034402010-11-13T15:40:53.426+00:002010-11-13T15:40:53.426+00:00I've reached this post years after it was publ...I've reached this post years after it was published, but "hallelujah".<br /><br />I don't know how any person of sound mind can be suckerd into NLP. It’s so obviously utter nonsense!<br /><br />I have a colleague who is completely brainwashed by this crap and has spent tens of thousands on the NLP pyramid scheme. He’s such a zealot about the doctrinal purity of this crap, all I can now think of when he starts preaching is that ol’saying about not arguing with an idiot, because they will only drag you to their level and beat you with experience.<br /><br />He lent me a bunch of *brand name withheld* CDs as an intro to entice me onto a “training event” he's now running ($3500 for a one-week event that apparently qualifies you to be a life coach ...hahahaha).<br /><br />As soon as I started listening to the CDs I couldn’t stop laughing because the pseudo-scientific psychobabble was ridiculously obvious (and I have no background in science), and consistently interspersed with teaser promos for all the “really incredible secret and amazing knowledge that will be revealed if you sign up for such n’such training”. <br /><br />The pyramid scheme is bad enough, but it’s their money. The scary thing is my colleague genuinely believes he can cure cancer, AIDs, schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s... you name it... with NLP.<br /><br />I just started looking online to see if any action’s been taken against NLP practitioners, but had to delve deep as these people certainly know about SEO.<br /><br />I’m so gobsmacked at the gullibility of my species I just had to let you know how much I appreciate finding your dose of sanity in “the asylum”. I also came across a reference to Francis Wheen’s book How Mumbo-Jumbo Conquered the World, which I look forward to reading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-10030113835543997472010-06-05T08:05:30.731+00:002010-06-05T08:05:30.731+00:00This jury of over 100 practitioners and professors...This jury of over 100 practitioners and professors of psychology and neuroscience are not out at all:<br /><br />Norcross, JC, Garofalo.A, Koocher.G. (2006) Discredited Psychological Treatments and Tests; A Delphi Poll. Professional Psychology; Research and Practice. vol37. No 5. 515-522<br /><br />They came in and rated NLP as more discredited than emotional freedom technique, dolphin assisted therapy, and equine therapy.<br /><br />A follow up study in 2008 has NLP rated as a top ten most discredited interventions:<br /><br />John C. Norcross, Thomas P. Hogan, Gerald P. Koocher (2008) Clinician's Guide to Evidence-based Practices. Oxford University Press, USA<br /><br />Why would anyone want to waste their funding on comparing a discredited new age intervention with anything else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-85049707237156123842010-05-29T13:43:44.912+00:002010-05-29T13:43:44.912+00:00I guess the jury is still out.
NLP simply needs ...I guess the jury is still out. <br /><br />NLP simply needs further randomised control studies. <br /><br />The studies that have been run had numerous methodological errors. <br /><br />Has there been any randomised control studies comparing NLP with CBT?<br /><br />What about reframing and meta model versus cognitive restructuring?<br /><br />It would be interesting to compare some of the extinction / exposure based therapies with the similar VK/D and rewind techniques. These studies simply have not been done.<br /><br />I just don't know what the outcomes of these studies would be.<br /><br />Anonymous, UKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-66686923962968909902010-05-27T08:49:47.856+00:002010-05-27T08:49:47.856+00:00That about sums it up.That about sums it up.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-68375474978717614942010-05-27T08:01:42.837+00:002010-05-27T08:01:42.837+00:00"an interesting and confused discussion"..."an interesting and confused discussion"???<br /><br />No its pretty simple really.<br /><br />1. NLP is claimed to be powerful and or more powerful than existing methods for psychological improvement, self development, communication, persuasion etc<br /><br />2. The claims are backed up by pseudoscientific proclamations about how the mind is supposed to work.<br /><br />3. After over 3 decades of existence, and lots of testing of multiple claims of NLP, there is no support for either the claim that NLP is effective, or that its background theories are accurate. <br /><br />4. Instead of removing the pseudoscientific elements from the NLP literature, and removing discredited interventions, the theories and interventions remain in the books and in the trainings. <br /><br />5. Instead of working to provide evidence of efficacy, proponents (such as Andy Bradbury above) in true pseudoscience colours offer nothing but "its just modelling" as an excuse for failure in concept and testing(same ruse as scientology claiming its just a religion). <br /><br />So NLP is simply pseudoscience. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrykgOXWqsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-8284780486141991622010-03-27T11:30:20.411+00:002010-03-27T11:30:20.411+00:00It's only 'modelling' guv - honest! If...It's only 'modelling' guv - honest! If that's all it is, then it's even more worthless than I thought. A defence that consists of ' you can't crticise NLP because it isn't really a theory is just plain silly. I have a copy of the printed students notes from the huge NLP course run by Bandler and McKenna in London. It's jammed pack full of the tehory you claim it doesn't have.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-43820582914202946022010-03-27T07:28:23.158+00:002010-03-27T07:28:23.158+00:00What an interesting and confused discussion. It l...What an interesting and confused discussion. It looks a lot like one of those highly emotional threads on Amazon discussions about whether scientists can prove or disprove the existence of God.<br /><br />The simple fact is that the academic, "scientific" articles which supposedly debunk or refure "NLP" tend to be retreads of Sharpley's two articles (1984, 1987), or of one of Dr Michael Heap's articles (1988, 1989, 2008).<br /><br />Which is a bit of a let down because:<br /><br />Neither Sharpley nor Heap actually understood what NLP was about (its a specific modelling process, nothing else), and<br /><br />Both Sharpley and Heap's reviews were of experiments testing a concept - preferred representational systems - which had been slightly but crucially modified before at least 95% of the experiments had been carried out. That is to say, the researchers were testing a claim that HAD been genuinely made in 1976, but was no longer a part of the field of NLP by early 1978. And all but four of the experiments covered by Heap's review of 63 *abstracts* were conducted AFTER 1978 or later.<br /><br />With all due respect, the entire field has most certainly NOT been refuted, debunked or disproved just because researchers don't find much support for a single concept which has already been abandoned.Andy Bradburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781873300857382098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-58815206101288851582010-01-03T14:42:29.175+00:002010-01-03T14:42:29.175+00:00I have always been skeptical about most things. Re...I have always been skeptical about most things. Religion, supernatural, new age fads. It is plausible nlp is a pile of crap, but.... <br /><br /> I am not talking from an scientific stand point, but a personal one. I have only recently discovered nlp, but from what I have read so far, is it a bad thing to believe in yourself ? In a roundabout way we know we should believe in ourselves or we should change bad habits, but we don't. Sometimes we can be stuck in perputual bad habits. Prior to nlpI have always believed every person is able to achieve there dreams in some capacity or even learn a talent. We just stop ourselves from doing so. This is one of the areas nlp encourages. ( even if you don't care for nlp, watch the last lecture on YouTube, it's not nlp but inspiring stuff) <br /><br />I love the part about nlp and how we all have our own models of the world. We choose to listen to what we want and what we don't. So some voices in our head are louder than others, which influences our decisions. Recently I watched a documentary about " sense of I" . It's not related to nlp and was about "what makes me, me". This mathemetician was subjecting himself to varying experiments involving the brain. In one experiment they found his subconcious mind, was making decisions 6 secs before he was aware of it. His subconcious mind was either conditioned or knew what was best for him. It's interesting stuff. I am not saying everything in nlp is correct, I have only just started Reading into the subject matter. A lot if things thus far ring true. <br /><br />Just out of Interest, what were the details of the scientific examination of nlp? <br /> <br /><br />JustJasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-80965421288734878122009-08-23T22:58:52.464+00:002009-08-23T22:58:52.464+00:00I think NLP,and what NLP offers is just an illusio...I think NLP,and what NLP offers is just an illusion.The patient isnt really cured,he hasnt realised nor accomplished anything.Hes just been programmed like some mindless drone.<br />May anyone correct me if Im wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-34659656687287010162009-06-12T17:22:47.380+00:002009-06-12T17:22:47.380+00:00JM
Putting forward a scientific case for the inval...JM<br />Putting forward a scientific case for the invalidity of NLP is not paranoia. Why do NLP proponents like you use such strange language. I'm in no way 'paranoid' about NLP. I just think it's unscientific junk and the ebnefits illusory.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-79458030937549997532009-06-12T17:22:46.209+00:002009-06-12T17:22:46.209+00:00JM
Putting forward a scientific case for the inval...JM<br />Putting forward a scientific case for the invalidity of NLP is not paranoia. Why do NLP proponents like you use such strange language. I'm in no way 'paranoid' about NLP. I just think it's unscientific junk and the ebnefits illusory.Donald Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796341486328270474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21077063.post-73645422223779641382009-06-10T14:33:48.252+00:002009-06-10T14:33:48.252+00:00I have found NLP techniques to be very effective i...I have found NLP techniques to be very effective in business. I have also seen people overcoming anxiety and improve academic performance as a result. I am not related to field of NLP but have had some training, and have some experiential evidence. Some of the criticisms made in this blog are unsustainable. If a criminal misuses NLP for is own profit it doesn't invalidate it. Just as a hammer used by a criminal doesn't negate the usefulness of the hammer(we use hammers for DIY right?). NLP is a set of tools, that's it. They work well for certain things, less for others. Let's end the paranoia please.JM Baudouxnoreply@blogger.com